第两百二十六天

[nnozomi]

语法
Adjective + 地 = adverb
https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Turning_adjectives_into_adverbs
(see also helpful posts on 的 vs 地 vs 得)

词汇
跑, run (pinyin in tags)
https://mandarinbean.com/new-hsk-1-word-list/

Link to introductory grammar (day 11)


Guardian:
奶奶快跑，快跑啊, run, Grandma!
跑得越远越好, run as far away as you can.
本来想给你更多时间让你慢慢地进入和适应, really I'd like to give you more time to enter and adapt slowly

Me:
我倒顺利地通过了考试。
现在跑步就是太热了。

Comments

[sakana17]

The Rebel, episode 20:
Lin Nansheng: 如果你跑了就彻底没有退路了。

Lost Tomb Reboot, season 2, episode 5:
慢慢地考虑清楚 (said by a villain)

[nnozomi]

Lin Nansheng: 如果你跑了就彻底没有退路了。
我再说，你别让我哭了...

慢慢地考虑清楚 (said by a villain)
...but surprisingly good advice!

[grayswandir]

Attempting to translate some Mandarin sentences from today's grammar wiki link into Cantonese...

普通话：你要努力地学习。
广东话：你要好劳力噉学习。

普通话：他认真地对我说：“我喜欢你。”
广东话：佢好认真噉同我话：“我钟意你。”

普通话：孩子们开心地唱了起来。
广东话：啲细路仔好开心噉唱起上嚟。

ETA (thanks to Pleco's help with "雨天地滑"):

普通话：雨天地滑，慢慢地走。
广东话：天雨地滑，慢慢行啦。

[nnozomi]

oh, this is awesome! What a neat way to look at it. Different words, like 劳力 instead of 努力, different pronunciations? like 嚟 instead of 来, different word order like 天雨 for 雨天 and so on. Fascinating. I never saw 钟意 before and the characters make me think of someone worried about punctuality ;)

[grayswandir]

Oh, hah, 勞力 was a mistake, that should have been 努力 just like in Mandarin! (But I learned something from this mistake! I'd forgotten that 努 starts with "n." Canto almost always changes initial "n" to "l," so I've always heard it with "l" at the beginning, and was typing it wrong and confusing my keyboard input. In Canto, 勞 and 努 are pronounced lou4 and nlou5, so the only difference is tone, which... well, yeah, I honestly had forgotten they were even different words. XD )

I never saw 钟意 before and the characters make me think of someone worried about punctuality ;)

It does look like that! It's actually a different character in traditional, 鍾 rather than 鐘. I think 鍾意 for "like" is a Canto-only thing, but it looks like 鍾 has similar meanings in other compounds in Mandarin. Examples from Wiktionary:

鍾愛 / 钟爱 ― zhōng'ài ― to treasure
鍾情 / 钟情 ― zhōngqíng ― to fall in love
一見鍾情 / 一见钟情 ― yījiànzhōngqíng ― love at first sight

嚟 instead of 来

Oddly, of the two, 嚟 actually sounds more like how 来 is pronounced in Mandarin (嚟 = lai/lei, 来 = loi). It's funny to me that Canto uses a different word but it's a word that sounds more like the Mandarin word.

[trobadora]

This is fascinating, thank you for sharing!

[nnozomi]

In Canto, 勞 and 努 are pronounced lou4 and nlou5, so the only difference is tone, which... well, yeah, I honestly had forgotten they were even different words. XD )
Oh that's wild, I would never have figured that out (and 劳力 made perfect sense to me in context...) (In Japanese they're 努力 doryoku and 劳力 rôryoku...)

一見鍾情 / 一见钟情 ― yījiànzhōngqíng ― love at first sight
Ah! I think I've seen this one. Another over-simplified 简体字 tricking me aargh ;)

Oddly, of the two, 嚟 actually sounds more like how 来 is pronounced in Mandarin (嚟 = lai/lei, 来 = loi). It's funny to me that Canto uses a different word but it's a word that sounds more like the Mandarin word.
I am increasingly amazed by how you can keep these two languages straight at all, just close enough to be totally confusing...

[presumenothing]

Oh hey I've heard 鍾意 in Canto before but didn't realise it was written like that!

And yeah, I think this particular usage is basically preserved only in specific instances for Mandarin – 情有独钟 is the only other one I can think of aside from the above list.

[grayswandir]

Oh hey I've heard 鍾意 in Canto before but didn't realise it was written like that!

For some reason, you saying this has just made me realize for the first time that I've seen 意 used the same way in other words, like 恶意, 诚意, 醋意. I originally just learned 鍾意 as a set phrase and pretty much ignored the characters, because every definition I've seen for 意 is so vague I can never get any kind of handle on it, and it shows up in a ton of words that barely seem related to me. But thinking about it, I guess 鍾意 actually does fall into a fairly regular pattern for naming emotions! From what you say, it sounds like 鍾 is mostly obsolete in Mandarin, so it makes sense that the word wouldn't be used, but I guess structurally it isn't actually that strange. I feel like I understand 意 a bit better now!

[presumenothing]

I don't think I've ever looked up 意 specifically but it's not surprising that it would be vague, at least in English – there probably isn't a way to succinctly express the range it covers, but yeah basically it's all psychological(?)-related, including concepts you wouldn't necessarily describe as emotions normally (see: 敌意, 杀意, 醉意… and on a more positive note, 乐意 and 愿意 are interesting ones in retrospect since they do fit the construction, but aren't used as nouns).

[grayswandir]

敌意, 杀意, 醉意

Oh, I didn't know any of these! Though the last one reminds me that I have heard 酒意, which I guess is similar? I can't find 杀意 in any of the dictionaries I use. Is it, like... feeling murderous, or...?

[presumenothing]

It's what anime subs would render as "killing intent", yes :P and 起了杀意/动了杀意 exists as a phrase as well.

[nnozomi]

敌意, 杀意, 醉意… and on a more positive note, 乐意 and 愿意 are interesting ones in retrospect since they do fit the construction, but aren't used as nouns)
Possibly coincidental, 乐意 and 愿意 are the ones that, as far as I know, don't exist in Japanese, unlike 敵意, 殺意, 鋭意、注意 etc....

[presumenothing]

Possibly coincidental, 乐意 and 愿意 are the ones that, as far as I know, don't exist in Japanese

…huh, I'm now realising that I don't actually know offhand if/how the equivalent sentiments would be expressed in JP. 喜んで?

[nnozomi]

…huh, I'm now realising that I don't actually know offhand if/how the equivalent sentiments would be expressed in JP. 喜んで?
喜んで definitely sounds right to me for 乐意, yes. Not at all sure about 愿意 (me not being, you know, a native speaker of either language); depending on context, maybe 喜んで or 進んで or just したい or...

[trobadora]

SHL:

秦怀章的徒弟，没想到你武功不行，跑得倒挺快，让我好找。

[nnozomi]

Nice! I always like 没想到, such a useful word.

[trobadora]

Yes! And it's one I picked up entirely by osmosis, before I eventually looked it up to see if I'd actually got it right. *g*

[nnozomi]

It's surprisingly easy to osmose from Guardian! Shen Wei says it a lot <3

[trobadora]

Zhou Zishu in SHL is also prone to saying this!

[nnozomi]

As noted before, whoever it is who actually owns the rights to the video and audio of all these dramas etc.--probably giant companies--is REALLY missing out by not creating "Learn Chinese with..." teaching materials, they would be both hugely popular and hugely helpful...

[elenothar]

Ack, why does 地 just not want to go into my head? It's reasonably straightforward and yet my brain really doesn't like it for whatever reason, sigh

[nnozomi]

I think it's the di/de thing! At least it is for me. Some of the Anki exercises from the Grammar Wiki have been helping me, as well as presumenothing's practice post linked above.

[elenothar]

On reflection, I think it may be because I learned di as part of earth/place etc. first, and that's the dominant meaning in my head. So every time I see the character I flash to that, then go 'wait no that doesn't make sense here' and have to go grubbing in my memory for other options.

[nnozomi]

So every time I see the character I flash to that, then go 'wait no that doesn't make sense here' and have to go grubbing in my memory for other options.
Agree. It's irritating in the adverbial use because it doesn't mean the same thing AND it's not pronounced the same way, why didn't they find another character to use? ;)

[elenothar]

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