第四十九天

[nnozomi]

第七天！Post a song, a saying, a quotation, something nice to look at, anything you like that's related to Chinese.

Playlist so far, 多亏了 presumenothing

I don't have much to offer today, it's kind of been a week, but a useful saying I learned recently: 静观其变, wait and see.

都好好照顾自己～～

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[presumenothing]

Contributing the latest addition to my Spotify likes playlist: 半生雪 by 是七叔呢!

大家幸苦了！歇一会吧！新的一周里也要加油哟！@ those of us for whom it is already Monday morning LOL

[nnozomi]

半生雪 by 是七叔呢!
Bookmarked to listen to again in summer when I need more 雪 in my life... (and probably before then too :))

@ those of us for whom it is already Monday morning LOL
*举起来手* （已经到了周一晚上呢，新的一周加油吧～）

[scytale]

I have been waiting for almost a week to share this:

https://rongzhi.tumblr.com/post/674211660706250752/a-man-attending-to-his-lambs-in-inner

Baby goats from Tumblr! With some small amount of (subbed) talking for practice.

[yaaurens]

Is that the same guy who orders delivery out in the middle of the steppes?

[scytale]

I have no idea! I only found this video because a friend linked it to me (for the cute goat babies). :D

[yaaurens]

Adorable fluffy shouty babies!

[grayswandir]

I love everything about this video.

[nnozomi]

可爱死我了！ Their little noses! Also I kept worrying that they were going to eat his beard lol ;) (also 好久不见, good to see you around!).

[scytale]

A very real worry with goats! (And ♥)

[trobadora]

AWWWWWW. :D :D :D

[reshiel]

Hello everyone! (初次见面，大家好，sorry to drop in unexpectedly but I have been reading guardian_learning for a while and thought 第七天 might be as good a time to say hello as any? Thank you so much nnozomi for the super informative and helpful posts.)

I have been listening to 遇见, Stefanie Sun's breakout pop hit from 2003 - it is perfect for angsty timetravel OTPs (possibly a little softer than Weilan usually are, haha.)

Also, I have recently become aware of Chinese Wordle (you don't have to put in chengyu, any four words will do!)

希望大家周末愉快 <3

[yaaurens]

欢迎! The more the merrier! (Anyone know what the Chinese equivalent saying might be?)

[presumenothing]

The closest I can think of is 多多益善… but admittedly I don't know if I'd use that for people?

[nnozomi]

I have been reading [community profile] guardian_learning for a while and thought 第七天 might be as good a time to say hello as any?
谢谢！很高兴啊. Very glad you're enjoying reading along! You're always very welcome. (The various commenters are super informative and helpful, plus everybody asks good questions, I just provide the framework.)

遇见, Stefanie Sun's breakout pop hit from 2003 - it is perfect for angsty timetravel OTPs (possibly a little softer than Weilan usually are, haha.)
Oh yeah, that's nice! It's slow enough that I can sort of follow along with the lyrics on screen too... I could see it as modern-era Wangxian maybe ;)

[shadaras]

Today's song: 野鳥 (sung by 金潤吉), from the soundtrack for The Bond, a show I have not seen. xD But I really enjoy this song, especially for the use of whistling in the orchestration.

[yaaurens]

Oooh, we just finished watching The Bond! I really liked all of the music they used; the show itself was pretty good, but on the heavier side.

[nnozomi]

That's nice! Sort of folksong-y in a way, with the whistling. (Also appreciate the lyrics + pinyin in the video!) (I don't know if I'll ever watch The Bond, but it's somewhere on my long list of shows I might watch someday, on account of Bai Yu and Mao Xiaotong and Zhu Zhu.)

[yaaurens]

I just watched this video which is a pretty clear explanation of the 的/得/地 rules! And apparently, each type of de has its own name so you can differentiate which one you mean in speech, which I didn't know. They also briefly touched on 是。。。的, which was discussed this week. I think it was this week? Time is fake. I'm looking forward to watching more of their videos (did someone link the Zero to Hero guys here? I can't remember, but if so, 谢谢, they're so useful!)

[nnozomi]

Oh, neat! My brain isn't up to grammar videos yet but it's bookmarked for later.

[trobadora]

I just watched this video which is a pretty clear explanation of the 的/得/地 rules!

Oh, this is super helpful! Not necessarily in actually understanding the grammatical constructions, but definitely in picking the correct de. *g*

[yaaurens]

There was one bit where they said, if it's constructed this way, you use this de, but if you switch the word order, you have to use a different de, and I just about died because it's technically still being used in the same grammatical way, it's just... different word order so it has to be different. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

But at least I understand it a bit better now! I just have to know whether something is actually a noun or a verb, lol.

[trobadora]

See, I don't think it's being used the same in those cases, it just looks like it from the English side ... there's a grammatical difference that doesn't come across in translation. *tears hair* But I'm glad for anything that helps in a practical way!

[grayswandir]

there's a grammatical difference that doesn't come across in translation

I wanted to say the same thing after I watched the video, but then I tried to figure out how to describe the difference in English and eventually just gave up. XD I feel like 得 does something that English has no equivalent for at all.

[trobadora]

That's how it feels like to me too, so now I feel validated. *g*

[yaaurens]

If so, then I have no idea what the difference is between them! 学习的认真，认真地学习, study diligently, diligently study... My brain says they mean the same thing, so if anyone has another explanation, I will gladly take it!

[trobadora]

Wait wait, it's 学习得认真, isn't it???

Hm, idk if that's right but how I'm reading it right now is that 认真地学习 is "diligently study" (adverb + verb) and 学习得认真 is "study in a diligent way" (verb + linking particle + adjective).

[yaaurens]

GDI I really have to look closer when I type the characters before hitting enter. You're right, it's 学习得认真.

But the meaning is basically the same, isn't it? The studying that occurs is diligent? *head explodes*

[trobadora]

Yeah, essentially I think it's just two grammatically distinct ways of expressing the same thing, in the same way that the two English sentences mean essentially the same ...

[grayswandir]

I think I'd say the same thing trobadora said above, but it's definitely hard to explain... I feel like 得 means something like "in an X way" or "in such a way that X" or "to the point of being X." I guess it really is just a difference in grammar, as you said, the same as English can use either an adverb ("diligently") or an adverbial phrase ("in a diligent way") to say the same thing. But I think the thing is, even though the grammatical difference isn't really important with a single word like "diligent," it can be important when the description gets longer or more complicated/creative.

Like, there are some examples in presumenothing's post with 的/地/得 sentences from the Guardian novel where I don't think you could just move the words around and form an adverb with 地 instead (though maybe some of them you could):

下得没轻没重 | dosed/drugged 得 with no good sense (idiomatic: vastly overdosed them LOL)

呛得他流下泪来 | choked 得 his tears began falling (idiomatic: choked him to the point of tears)

浇灭得一丝灰烬也不剩 | extinguished 得 not one trace of ash remained (idiomatic: extinguished until there was nothing left)

刮得他眼眶有些泛红 | blew 得 the rim of his eyes reddened a little (idiomatic: …eye-watering wind? I guess?)

坐得松松垮垮 | sat 得 in a super slack/lax manner (idiomatic: sprawl, probably)

眼睛亮得惊人 | eyes bright 得 startling people (idiomatic: shockingly bright eyes)

I definitely can't come up with any examples of my own in Mandarin. XD But I'm thinking of sentences in English like "she explained it in such a way that even laymen could understand," where the "in such a way that..." part does function as an adverb, but you have to use this different grammatical structure, because you can't make an adverb out of that whole phrase...

[trobadora]

Thank you for explaining it so well, it really is so much clearer once you get away from things that can be expressed with a simple adverb!

[yaaurens]

Thank you! I think I've definitely not been thinking big picture enough with this, which is easy to do when the tutorials only give short, simple examples that work either way!

[grayswandir]

it's kind of been a week, but a useful saying I learned recently: 静观其变, wait and see.

That does seem like a useful saying.

<3

[nnozomi]

That does seem like a useful saying.
Definitely. <3

[elenothar]

I've been listening through Wang Kai's singing back catalogue because his voice. Lots of goodies, but I particularly enjoy this song from The Disguiser, 诉衷情 (though I have not seen the show).

[nnozomi]

Wow, yeah, as you say, his voice!