第一百二十二天

[nnozomi]

语法
吧 for concessions (okay, then; well, FINE)
https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Conceding_with_%22ba%22

词汇
干, do (see pinyin to distinguish it from yesterday’s 干, dry); also 干什么 (the word list has “what to do,” but I know this as “what are you doing” or “why”, oh dear) 干 gàn, do; also 干什么 gàn shénme, what to do
https://mandarinbean.com/new-hsk-1-word-list/

Guardian:
你在这干什么, what are you doing here
好好干啊, ...do your best? 頑張って？
那行吧，那我就把这些圣器...你不是沈巍. Okay, fine, I’ll give you the...you’re not Shen Wei.

Me:
好吧，我知道，你不会吃辣，那我们就点不辣的火锅吧。
你干什么呢，不用给那只猫抚摩，它会生你的气。

Comments

[nnozomi]

In a comment rather than the main text because it’s a little, hm, indecorous--but I couldn’t let 干 day pass without posting this Guardian 花絮 clip. (Also featuring the origin of Professor Shen’s habit of adjusting his glasses to conceal his expression.)

[sakana17]

<3<3!

[elenothar]

... I do so love bts clips XD

[trobadora]

Perfect clip for the word of the day, indeed! ♥ ♥ ♥

[elenothar]

吧 for concessions (okay, then; well, FINE)

I'm just gonna go scream quietly into my pillow, why does everything have three different functions, why

[nnozomi]

why does everything have three different functions, why
I am in total agreement with your main point, but this one I find (slightly) less stressful because I just think of it as 好吧 or 行吧, more a couple of useful phrases than a far-reaching grammar point...I hope...

[elenothar]

See, that makes perfect sense and would've worked well for me, too, if I hadn't already internalised 吧 as "let's" because I made the mistake of starting to learn with duolingo (which does not do nuance, or, in fact, grammar for the most part) and especially then I was still much more stuck in the way I'd previously learned vocab, which was a more straightforward memorisation of x means y, or maybe x means y or z + what part of speech it is. That just doesn't work so well for Mandarin, alas.

[nnozomi]

I was still much more stuck in the way I'd previously learned vocab, which was a more straightforward memorisation of x means y, or maybe x means y or z + what part of speech it is. That just doesn't work so well for Mandarin, alas.
No need to come for me where I live like that! ;) (See also 了, oh dear)

[elenothar]

I live here too, so clearly I'm just burning our shared house down - though, in our defense, for other languages that system does make sense and work. So.

[trobadora]

SHL quote:

这些年来跟着庄主出生入死，你叫我干什么我都干什么。 但四季山庄兄弟及至亲屡遭迫害让我不得不质疑晋王的初衷。 事到如今我实在干不下去了。

[nnozomi]

...that has a lot of gravitas. I wonder if 我实在干不下去了 is close to 我做不到...

[trobadora]

Right? It's a great speech, especially for a character who has exactly this one scene.

I wonder if 我实在干不下去了 is close to 我做不到...

Close to how? I mean, the second is "I can't do that" and the first is "I can't keep doing that any more", right? Or am I wrong about that?

[nnozomi]

Close to how? I mean, the second is "I can't do that" and the first is "I can't keep doing that any more", right? Or am I wrong about that?
No, you're right to the best of my knowledge; I was thinking of 做不到 as something like "I can't do it (all the way to completion)" (there's a scene from The Rebel where it's used along the lines of "even though I've already started to do X, I can't follow through on what you're ordering me to do," giving me a similar sense).

[trobadora]

Oh, I see what you mean! Yeah, that's a good question, I'd love to know about the nuances too.

[nnozomi]

I'd love to know about the nuances too.
Yup. Add it to the list of "Chinese phrasing that will take a few more years to understand intuitively," sigh...

[presumenothing]

I can't actually think of a situation where 干什么 would be what to do…? Unless it's like 今天要干什么 the same thing we do every night, try to take over the world!!1!

Probably my favourite usage, not that I actually get to use it IRL, is 干 as slang for kill (干掉他/干了他! etc, which I suspect might crop up in grayswandir's type of shows XD)

[nnozomi]

I can't actually think of a situation where 干什么 would be what to do…?
good, at least my understanding is basically okay...? maybe just a uniquely bad translation on the part of the HSK people.

Probably my favourite usage, not that I actually get to use it IRL, is 干 as slang for kill (干掉他/干了他! etc
Given the part dramas play in most of our studying, it's good to know! (Funny that "do" and 干 and やる all have the same two slang meanings...)