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语法
得 + verb phrase, "must ~~"
https://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Expressing_%22must%22_with_%22dei%22
Note the pinyin in the link and the tags, NOT one of our favorite variations on 的得地 even though it's the same character! *sigh* (At least the grammar structure itself is straightforward)

词汇
边, side; 海边, seaside; 路边, roadside; 身边, at hand 边 biān, side; 海边 hǎibiān, seaside; 路边 lùbiān, roadside; 身边 shēnbiān, near at hand
https://mandarinbean.com/new-hsk-2-word-list/
I wonder what the difference is between 身边 and 身旁?

Introductory grammar, day 146

Guardian:
我还得回去报告呢, I still have to go back and report
你得先答应我, you must first promise me
就像我在你身边保护你一样, just as if I were by your side protecting you

Me:
我得起床早一点。
在路边有几只叫喵喵的小猫。

Date: 2023-01-04 11:45 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Shen Wei - don't know)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
I wonder what the difference is between 身边 and 身旁?

Oh, good question, that's something I've been wondering about for a while!

Date: 2023-01-05 10:28 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Shen Wei - don't know)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
In lyrics it always seems to be 身旁 for some reason ...

Date: 2023-01-05 10:34 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Shen Wei/Zhao Yunlan - be happy)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Haha, you'd think that at least would be one problem you wouldn't have in Chinese! *g*

Date: 2023-01-06 09:46 pm (UTC)
grayswandir: Chu Shuzhi, reading. (Guardian: Chu Shuzhi)
From: [personal profile] grayswandir
Huh! I feel like the one I always hear in song lyrics is 旁边. I actually can't remember ever hearing 身旁! Now I'm wondering what the difference is...

Date: 2023-01-07 02:02 am (UTC)
trobadora: (Zhu Yilong - yay!)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Here's one I'm sure you've heard: 我要你在我身旁 ... :D

Date: 2023-01-07 05:35 am (UTC)
grayswandir: Zhu Yilong in red. (Zhu Yilong)
From: [personal profile] grayswandir
Hah, you are correct but I definitely did not know the lyrics!

Date: 2023-01-07 12:21 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Zhu Yilong - yay!)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Ha, now I feel all accomplished for understanding at least that part of the lyrics the first time I heard them! *g*

Date: 2023-01-07 02:27 pm (UTC)
presumenothing: (tv)
From: [personal profile] presumenothing

They're somewhat interchangeable, except that 身边 also covers less literal/immediate uses that 身旁 doesn't. To borrow the examples from this answer:

我身旁还有两个孩子 (there are physically two children next to me right now)

我身边还有两个孩子 (could also mean abstractly, e.g. two kids living with me but not necessarily here right now)

And also because it came up on shuffle while typing this, Zhou Shen's livestream concert last year was (punnily) titled 想到你“深”边, which is rather demonstrably appropriate since it's virtually 身边ing.

Date: 2023-01-07 04:41 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Shen Wei - don't know)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Thank you for the explanation! So does that mean all those lyrics I keep hearing with 你在我身旁 (or vice versa) are about wanting someone right here right now, rather than, well, by your side in a more abstract/general sense?

Love the 深/身 pun! :D

Date: 2023-01-05 01:41 am (UTC)
sakana17: lin nansheng tired and holding a pencil (rebel-lin-nansheng-pencil)
From: [personal profile] sakana17
Ahhh, I should've looked at the latest entry before I replied to the comment from yesterday's! Now I'm even more confused by 必须得! So I'll cheat and re-use the same example. :D
The Rebel, episode 38:
这件事,你必须得帮我

This one seems more like straightforward:
Lost Tomb Reboot, episode 32:
你得有心理准备

Lost Tomb Reboot, episode 1:
看看里边有什么

episode 21:
你还要保护好你身边的人

Date: 2023-01-05 10:33 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Shen Wei - don't know)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Regarding 必须得, the dictionary says 必须 can also mean "necessarily", so maybe this is "necessarily must"?

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